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Curly Stockhorse Breeders
The Curly Stockhorse Preservation Project is a voluntary, informal initiative among fellow Bad Warrior preservation breeders willing to work together without trying to put the dollar over these horses' best interests. This is the private page we access by invitation only, to keep up with any ongoing or potential preservation breeding projects or ideas.
This page may not be viewed well on a phone.
"Donna Grace" <heritage.horse.assn@gmail.com> Bucking V Outfit, LLC. Crow Country Curly Horses (formerly of Pryor Montana) Berndt & Warrior horses (direct from Ernie Hammrich) Donna Grace Vickery (founder, ICHO, 1999) Maricopa County, Arizona, 406 591 6568 |
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Chuck Mattke, Kansas: Chuck & Lori Mattke, 18004 300 Ave, Ogallah KS 67656 Emma Jean Ashmore, 19048 260 Ave, Wakeeney KS 67672 |
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Linda Stermer, Michigan (hcrcurlyhorses.com/wp/portfolio/savannah-palomino-mare) Marion < Petticoat Junction (https://www.hcrcurlyhorses.com/wp/portfolio/hcr-dixie-beauty-belle-palomino-mare) |
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Lee Miller driving Laverne & Curly Shirley; the last 2 living San San mares.
Tate Wakan Winyan (2005, blaze, hind socks) Wicanhpi Injanka (2007, strip, 4 socks) Mato Akicita (Bear Warrior) in southern Iowa; the last living male San San horse. |
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"John Schweiger"<johnaschweiger@gmail.com> not accepting email as of 2023... :( [mailed 2 letters Feb 11, 2024] 9301 35th St. NE., Tolna ND 58380-9634 [Devils Lake] (Warrior horses direct from Ernie Hammrich and some of my last ones) John may have a few Warrior youngsters available for sale to interested preservation breeders?? |
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"Cody & Barbara Killingsworth" dispersing; email <codyk68@yahoo.com> Killingsworth Ranch, Agra, Oklahoma, 405 210 0557 For Sale: grullo stud, Warrior Seeks Justice |
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Drake Gifford, Texas—Bought Jake from Cody—wants to train him up for cowboy shooting, crowd control, etc. Has ridden curlies on big circles, many days out on range working cattle. Expressed great interest in helping with the preservation effort, especially from the aspect of these horses' value as big country ranch horses. He ended up taking Wyoming Star Dust ABC-693-3/4. She had a bright LP spotted (but he will grey out and go white) colt sired by Justice. | ||
Jeff & Gail Parker, curly stockhorses (direct from Ernie Hammrich), Casper / Deaver, Wyoming, 307-254-5637 (talked Feb 2024) jeffparkercowboy1@gmail.com, has BWx mares bred to BW stud (that he cut; poor temperament), due this year. His sire owned by some lady he knows. Jeff Parker, 2080 Sunset Blvd., Casper WY 82601; Natrona Co.; 457 R 1½, Deaver WY 82421, Big Horn Co. | ||
Jane Matlock <matlock1465@outlook.com> (deceased) Vinita, Oklahoma; had a yearling extreme Warrior-bred colt for sale; who got him? |
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"Rich Giago" <richgiago@icloud.com > Pine Ridge rez SD, 605-407-2828 |
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"Dave Archambault II "<davearshambo@yahoo.com> stallion is deceased (?) |
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Volney Fast Horse (phonecall, Aug 12, 2020) lost number; lost contact after C19 | ||
Jon Eagle Sr <joneaglesr@gmail.com> Wednesday, August 12, 2020. FB Msg from Jon Eagle Sr., Tribal Historic Preservation Officer, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe. "Hi Donna. I'm curious now. Curly horses came up at a recent meeting with Hunkpapa horsemen. I'd like to track these horses down if there are any left? Are there any from the Bad Warrior line available? They came up in a conversation with older relatives from Little Eagle, SD. They kept saying SanSan. I never heard that word before so I asked. That's our word for curly horses. They told me the story; then I remembered you reaching out to me years ago. I went back through my messenger and realized that was the same horse(s) they were taking about. The sorrel stud (Teddy's red dun brother) on the left looks like what they described. Also the mare on the left in the photos you sent also looks like what they described. (Angelica) I speak Lakota but I have never heard anyone speak of these horses before and didn't understand “SanSan.” There was a sadness in their story. They asked me to track them down if I can. I promised them I'd try. Ernie was a friend of my dad's. I didn't make the connection before. When foals are available we'd be interested." | ||
Joshua Felicity, from Wyola Montana (Crow Reservation). Joshua as a boy (a few years back, let's not go into how far), took an SC colt (Warrior Tornado or "Nado") off my hands, when I was losing ranch in divorce. He raised the colt who won a pickup truck in 2019 National Finals team roping. This colt is a younger full brother to Warrior Wind, retired in Oklahoma. | ||
"Sue Helling" <suesclip@gmail.com> owns a Berndt X paint horse | ||
Cheryl Crouch Harr. Member of Curly Stockhorses FB group; Lives in Saint Marys, Ohio: Thu Sept 1 (2017?). Hi Donna, I am interested in learning more about preserving the stock horse curly horses. I am not sure how I can fit in yet though. I would like to touch back with you after the holiday weekend as we are getting ready to leave on vacation in about an hour. I only have two curly mares (one is full ABC warrior lines, the other is full ABC, but has quarter horse way back. She looks like a stock horse). I am somewhat new to the curly world (only had curlies for about 4 years now due to son's allergies). It took me forever to find broke stock type curlies that can compete in 4H and open shows with the quarter horses. I would love to see more of these stock horse curlies in the show world. Maybe I can help in some small way. Looking forward to chatting with you next week. this needs follow up, I never got back with her... she had a beautiful grey Warrior bred horse from what I can remember. |
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Old West Curly Horses (now dispersed) Tracy Dalke, 59751 Highway 212, Charlo, MT 59824, tjdalke@montana.com ... Tracy took my last mares when I was down to losing everything; she bred them to Rush River Slash against my wishes, and as I feared, some had their hips shortened by that breeding, but, some of the offspring retained longer stockhorse hips, and turned out nicely stockhorse in type. Tracy might be able to tell you where some of them ended up; there is a daughter of Minne listed on curlyhorses.info:
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"Annie Waldow" Wing & a Prayer, used to breed Warriors and curly appies in Montana. Annie Waldow, 5366 Road 1023, Culbertson, MT 59218, 406-787-5592, awaldow@nemontel.net |
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Jo Ann Hatlestad used to have bunch of Berndt horses I believe she may have gotten from Maureen. | ||
Barbara Carroll, Texas, Stag Creek Ranch, she did a herd reduction and sold off all her pure Warrior horses she got from Ernie and I; but she knows where they went. | ||
"Mitch Wilkinson" <wdocmitch16@yahoo.com> research liaison—Patagonia Curly Criollo horse project, rubs shoulders with the genetic researchers on American curlies. | ||
Curly Spanish Stockhorses |
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Unicorns of the Horse World: The way a Spanish Curly Stockhorse is identified and defined is simply by its Spanish pedigree. It must be identified with a verifiable pedigree, and/ or registered by an existing Spanish Studbook Registry. These unique curly horses will also be checked to see whether they are hypoallergenic to people allergic to straight haired horses.
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Bad Warrior
PRESERVATION PROJECTS
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The Curly Stockhorse Preservation Project is a voluntary, informal initiative.
We'll keep current & potential project plans listed here.
This is a private webpage for viewing by Bad Warrior Preservation people.
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"Kuntz Nokotas" <kuntznokotas@gmail.com> (Leo's family) Leo Kuntz family horses for sale |
Under Facebook Community Chats... Forgotten, rare, endangered horses; photos & info, marketplace: |
• https://www.facebook.com/messages/c/919007849449481/t/5639678982801669/ |
• https://www.facebook.com/messages/c/919007849449481/t/6084908988302081/ |
Feature them in the online video series DiscoverTheHorse (not sure what that involves) |
Endangered Horse Breeds https://equinefacilitydesign.com/misc/endangered-horse-breeds.htm |
Equus Survival Trust, working together to save endangered equine breeds • http://www.equus-survival-trust.org/ |
Bad Warrior Projects |
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establish “SanSan” horse preservation herds, Dakotas | ||
Dave Archambault II, owned Akicita sica, curly grullo stallion, on Standing Rock Rez | ||
Rich Giago, <richgiago@icloud.com> (Aug 2020) located grass lease available on Pine Ridge Reservation? Also need to find out what he found out about the written description found in that lady's attic, that went to one of the old winter count pictures... that would explain what the Curly Horse picture event actually was, that took place. |
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Jon Eagle Sr., <joneaglesr@gmail.com> asked by horsemen elders in monthly meetings for Native men, to bring back old SanSan horses |
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Volney Fast Horse, in same elder meetings, owns very nice dark chestnut Driftwood stud, which I bet would be fine for crossbreeding Bad Warriors. | |
write article about “SanSan” horses | ||
Photography; "Gabriele Kärcher" <GKaercher@sorrel.de> formerly Crow Curlys Germany (we could purchase many professional photos of CCCHs) | ||
Photography; WYO Checkerboard curly mustangs | ||
Photography; search for Berndt horses... Jackie, anyone else? | ||
Add calendar photo of Teddy to rare horse Facebook groups... when we have article published, and enough going on behind the scenes to capture & keep interest of anyone who responds. |
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Artists, create legendary art work to share profits with project expenses | ||
Native Lakota & Crow artists could do artwork featuring the old San San Curly Horses |
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Bad Warrior Preservation Project Plans / Goals | ||
Find high % Berndt stallion with excellent conformation | ||
Find high % Berndt mares with excellent conformation | ||
Find high quality ranch type Nokota mares to add in program | ||
Find out about tall Blue River Nokota stud, from Frank, to add in program (Conservancy got him) | ||
Rod, Diamond Willow, can advise about 1st Berndt preservation project and horses: | ||
establish preservation herd(s) on Crow reserve |
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Josh Felicia, Wyola, MT, Crow Reservation, Bad Warrior gelding won pickup in roping | ||
Gordon Plain Feather, Pryor, Crow Reservation, had Bad Warrior horse(s) | ||
E, Pryor, Crow Reservation, had Bad Warrior horse(s) | ||
INFR Headquarters P.O. Box 508 Browning, MT 59417 Phone: 406-338-7684 |
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networking/ research projects for “SanSan” horse history | ||
Supporting South Dakota Reservations Page Native American and First Nations Cultures HORSE ~ TRIBE Forgotten Horses |
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do search on Facebook for all posts about the Nokota, and find the pages and groups likely to be supportive and helpful with increasing awareness and spreading the word about these horses. | ||
2017 records: curlyhorses.com/documents/NA-BW-Records.odt | ||
Locate all living pure & high % Berndt horses |
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Marie Filion, Nanaimo, British Columbia doing search for any more... | ||
Aug 15, 2020: maybe 2 horses located (stay tuned)
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check with Lee Miller, South Dakota, 2 living Berndt mares from Diamond Willow |
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check on Dud Stud, Illinois, get hair sample (frozen CRISPR genetics eventually??) |
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check with Joy (Oklahoma) |
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check with Jackie (Hawk, Berndt stud that went to Nevada) |
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check with Bunny (ICHO) someone who she likes |
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check with Jeff & Gail Parker, Wyoming |
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check with the Neihardts (emailed 3rd attempt, November 2023) AMJA&R, LLC., Maureen Neidhardt, Registrar www.miniaturejerseyassociation.com PO Box 66, Crawford, NE 69339, 308-665-1431, email: rarebreed@bbc.net www.rarebreedranch.net ~ moved back to South Dakota now |
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Proposed Projects |
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Collect hair samples from every known rare horse
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EVERYONE | ||
Wild Curly Mustangs |
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When Adopting Curly Mustangs to use in PRESERVATION Breeding: It is relevant to understand geography in the history of the 2 breeds of western (KRT25 mutation) curly horses... The Damele "breed" branched off from Berndt ancestors centuries ago. They migrated to the Owyhee Desert, in the Great Basin, where all water sources are retained, and do not flow to the oceans. Because of this, not following streams or rivers, the KRT25 horses that migrated to the Owyhee Desert centuries ago pretty much stayed there and developed into their own breed of curly horse, that we know as the Damele horse of today. Ideally, wild curlies adopted from the Great Basin herds should be used in Damele horse preservation. For preservation of the Bad Warrior horses, curly mustangs adopted from Checkerboard Square herds would be more desireable. The northwestern wild Curly Horses would be more directly or more recently related to the remnant Bad Warrior horses left alive today. |
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VOLUNTEERs: Approach BLM with an official appeal to not castrate males of the rare old curly wild horses that are still left out there, when rounded up for adoption. This has been a major issue. Not sure if someone representing a heritage association would carry sufficient (or any) weight or not. But is worth a try. There may be a Sulphur roundup coming. Any volunteers? Could we get Mitch on board with this... Angie works against me and blocks me on FB |
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Drake Gifford, Texas -- buddy of Cody. Bought Jake from Cody - wants to train him up for cowboy shooting, crowd control, etc. Has ridden curlies on long circles, many days out on range working cattle. Expressed great interest in helping with the preservation effort, especially from the aspect of these horses' value as big country ranch horses. He ended up taking Wyoming Star Dust ABC-693-3/4. She had a bright LP spotted colt sired by Justice; appears he will grey out. |
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FOLLOW UP (FB convo) Brindle Cattle > post: curly cattle > Jan 27, 2021 I posted photo of Suzy Minck's curly calf... Dustin Borba We haul rodeo stock, have came across a few curly bulls, neighboring ranch sends me outside colts that are Nevada curly horses... Damale family, Eureka, NV Donna Grace Oh gosh, the original buckaroos with the 3D brand... would you ever consider writing us up a little article about that? IF the Dameles approved? That would be incredible. Dustin Borba absolutely, I'm around Peter and Elery the most, Tommy doesn't come out of the hills that much. [pic, right] Peter picking up the last one I started, I have 2 more this spring coming from them. |
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offer articles in electronic format Omit Hiedi | ||
"HorseTVToday" <info@HorseTVToday.com> | ||
let Mitch know about projects and progress | ||
let Andrea - Horse of Americas -- know about IHHA | ||
more for the to do List: |
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invite ABCR & ICHO to combine public accessible stud books with IHHA ... RESPONSE: out of all officers & board members and empolyees, TWO replies, one with scorn, the other said they'd discuss it at the next meeting. :o) Curly horse registry members... this is who is working for your interests |
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c19-freeze |
Tennessee State University, and University of Tokyo is working on this with ILR. Hopefully can now get WebbWatt to do this (2023) Maybe get American Horse Registries (AZ neighbor) on board, with collaboration |
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get Bad Warrior articles for sale in electronic format... (proceeds to go to preservation) - update article |
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invite Patagonian Criollo Curlies to Heritage Horse Assn | ||
invite Russian Curlies to Heritage Horse Assn | ||
contact & invite rare Persian Isil horse breed society | ||
curly coated burros / donkeys | ||
Sacred Way Spirit Horses • practices anti-preservation breeding practices • Yvette Collin • Florence AL ~ AK university educated... this gal capitalizes on her native heritage, but allows her native & heritage breed horses to intermingle and has the stallions choose their own mare bands, claiming this is the natural way to do it. She discards papers of horses she buys/gets in on donation; and does not keep pedigrees or bloodlines documented and will not pass forward pedigree or breed information on horses she sells to buyers. All breeds & bloodlines are mixed together, to the loss of each native horse type. | ||
Sacred Way Sanctuary (work only with followers that don't subscribe to mongrelized breeding practices of rare horses) Hi Donna, Hello Kelsey, 10/30/2020 Kelsey.jae@live.ca |
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